Playing at pacific poker NL100. ten players

I have $130 BB have $90

I recive J-J UTH. I raise to $3 every one folds exept BB he calls

Flop: 3 :clubs: 6 :hearts: 7 :hearts:

He checks, I bet $5 he thinks for a while and then he raise all-in.

He had been playing very well for 1,5 hours, but 3 or 4 hands earlier he had lost a big pot. Can it be a tilt? have he been slowplaying AA or KK? I dont think he had the nuts 4-5 then it wold have been better to raise $15...or was he affraid of a flush draw?

What can he have for reason to do what he did? Call or fold?

Playing at pacific poker NL100. ten players

I have $130 BB have $90

I recive J-J UTH. I raise to $3 every one folds exept BB he calls

Flop: 3 :clubs: 6 :hearts: 7 :hearts:

He checks, I bet $5 he thinks for a while and then he raise all-in.

He had been playing very well for 1,5 hours, but 3 or 4 hands earlier he had lost a big pot. Can it be a tilt? have he been slowplaying AA or KK? I dont think he had the nuts 4-5 then it wold have been better to raise $15...or was he affraid of a flush draw?

What can he have for reason to do what he did? Call or fold?
NL100 means .50/$1 blinds correct? So there's $6.50 in preflop, and you bet $5 into $6.50 and he raises all in for another $82 on top?

So now it's $82 for you to try winning $93.50? Fold. Every time.

There's simply not enough money in the pot. He could have QQ, KK, AA, 33, 66, or 77 (and you're drawing to 2 outs), or 45 (and you need runner-runner to a full house).

Yes, you may be way ahead, but this is a cash game. There's no money in the pot. It's absolutely ridiculous to call $82 to win $93.50 to a check-raise--even if he has been doing this a lot on a bluff, if he's got two overs and a flush draw, he's got 15 outs twice and is a favorite to win the hand.

Most importantly actually, he could very well be doing this with 4 :hearts: 5 :hearts: . A massive overbet to entice you to call if you've got an over pair.

Agreed totally. I've seen enough players playing this way with a flush draw after a big loss. With only a pair of Jacks though, you can lose in too many ways. You mentioned that he lost a big pot earlier, do you remember how he lost the pot?

Yes, you may be way ahead, but this is a cash game. There's no money in the pot. It's absolutely ridiculous to call $82 to win $93.50 to a check-raise--even if he has been doing this a lot on a bluff, if he's got two overs and a flush draw, he's got 15 outs twice and is a favorite to win the hand.

Most importantly actually, he could very well be doing this with 4 :hearts: 5 :hearts: . A massive overbet to entice you to call if you've got an over pair.

With only a pair of Jacks though, you can lose in too many ways.
I even fold AA here. I'm folding just about everything but 4:hearts:5:hearts:, and top set.

If he is on tilt, you're more likely to see that he's made a questionable call with 45 then you are to see he's made a questionable call with AA. If he's tilting and wants to get all his chips in, I think he does it preflop, and I certainly hope you fold to that all in too.

The interesting thing about holding 4:hearts:5:hearts: here is that A:hearts:K:hearts:'s flush draw only has 5 outs. 13 total hearts, 2 on board, 2 in each players hand makes 6, leaving 7 in the deck, 2 of which make the straight flush.

I think folding here all the time is very bad. I call this nearly every time. It's so often a flush draw, a pair plus the straight draw, 88-TT. It's very rare you're against 2pair plus or a bigger pair.

The only time I'm folding is against a nit who isn't aggressive at all postflop.

Pogo if you're folding everything but 45hh and top set you are way too easy to bluff.

I think folding here all the time is very bad. I call this nearly every time. It's so often a flush draw, a pair plus the straight draw, 88-TT. It's very rare you're against 2pair plus or a bigger pair.

The only time I'm folding is against a nit who isn't aggressive at all postflop.

Pogo if you're folding everything but 45hh and top set you are way too easy to bluff.
If someone wants to bet $82 to bluff me off of $11.50, then let them. And I'll keep letting them. Because they'll keep making the same play until I do have a hand I feel comfortable calling with, and then I'll get paid.

We're talking about No Limit cash game. I'm not afraid of increasing blinds and busting out because I can't accumulate. Just be patient and find a spot.

Besides...I'm just as likely to make this extreme overbet WITH the nuts because it doesn't make sense for me to make such a huge push with a strong holding. The overbet makes me look weak and entices the call.

I'm with checkthestack here.. I'm calling.

You mention he just lost a big pot, so he could very well be steaming. But on top of that, his range is HUGE...

He was defending out of the BB, so I'd include these hands we beat:

Heart draw
Straight Draw (58, 89)
Pair and Draw (56, 34)
Lower Pair 22, 44, 55, 88-TT, A6, A7
Total Bluff

Granted he could have a set or straight or two pair already... But I think we are winning enough here to make the call.

[QUOTE= You mentioned that he lost a big pot earlier, do you remember how he lost the pot?[/QUOTE]


He had a set and lost against a flush.

I did fold this hand because I was to affraid that he did a massive bet just to make me think that he was bluffing. In this situation with that bet I can only win against a bluff or maybe if I hit the set.

I agree I am calling as well, he is WAY over betting and you had him on a previous BS play. Why in blue hell if he had something would he bet this way,, I'd a noted him and look for him every time I sign on.. He was tilted big time

It doesn't matter if he's tilted or not.

You hold ONE PAIR.

It's not a strong enough holding to risk $82 in an $11.50 pot.

Fold. Keep folding. And let him keep making this bet. If it's a bluff, who cares, because one time he'll do it when you've flopped the nuts, or near nuts, and you're getting all of his stack, plus the few bucks you lost to him here and there on his stupid massive overbet.



And for those of you who are going to call this just because the bet looks suspicious and you ask "Why would he bet like this if he has something that beats my overpair," I welcome you to my table.

It's sad that I don't put my own advice to good use.

Although, in my situation, I'm not entirely sure whether my call was correct or not.

$1/$2 NLHE, at casino.

Player to my immediate left has got kind of short, and decided he's either folding or pushing all in preflop (or checking/completing from blinds).

So, he pushes all in after a bunch of limpers, buys the maybe $10-$12 in the pot.

Next hand, I'm dealt 77. One limper in front of me, I raise to $10. Player to my left that just pushed last hand pushes again this hand.

Folded all the way back to me. He's got $51 in his stack. It's $41 for me to call $66.

I decided to call. He turns over AA.

We actually both hit our sets on the flop (runner-runner A, 7 for the bad beat jackpot didn't happen). I end up losing.


I'm not for sure whether or not I like my call. It's a different situation from the OP's scenario, but still, I'm pretty sure I made a bad call here.

I think if he wouldn't've just moved all in on the hand right before this one, I probably fold.

His previous all-in makes the decision a little tougher, but I'd have hard time calling an all-in with less than 20% of my stack invested with 77.

Another call fold situation


$ 100 USD NL Texas Holdem - Wednesday, April 11, 14:41:38 ET 2007
Table Table 127195 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: Badevirus ( $ 26.90 USD )
Seat 6: irlche ( $ 80.87 USD )
Seat 7: lahlpoker ( $ 100.10 USD )
Seat 8: TrainSurfer ( $ 184.90 USD )
Seat 9: AGlenday ( $ 113.30 USD )
Seat 10: Thaiger10 ( $ 110.20 USD )
Seat 2: iste10 ( $ 98.25 USD )
Seat 1: Hagbard11711 ( $ 26.65 USD )
Seat 3: forzahovet ( $ 61 USD )
Seat 5: dana13333 ( $ 28.75 USD )
iste10 posts small blind [$ 0.50 USD].
forzahovet posts big blind [$ 1 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to iste10 [ 5c 5h ]
Badevirus folds
dana13333 calls [$ 1 USD]
irlche folds
lahlpoker folds
TrainSurfer folds
AGlenday folds
Thaiger10 folds
iste10 calls [$ 0.50 USD]
forzahovet checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 9c, Ac ]
iste10 checks
forzahovet checks
dana13333 checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5s ]
iste10 bets [$ 3 USD]
forzahovet calls [$ 3 USD]
dana13333 folds
** Dealing River ** [ Ts ]
iste10 bets [$ 8 USD]
forzahovet is all-In [$ 57 USD]


I have so far $13 in the pot $49 to call. It seems to me like he was slowplaying or maybe he hit the straight on river.

Call or Fold??

Another call fold situation


$ 100 USD NL Texas Holdem - Wednesday, April 11, 14:41:38 ET 2007
Table Table 127195 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: Badevirus ( $ 26.90 USD )
Seat 6: irlche ( $ 80.87 USD )
Seat 7: lahlpoker ( $ 100.10 USD )
Seat 8: TrainSurfer ( $ 184.90 USD )
Seat 9: AGlenday ( $ 113.30 USD )
Seat 10: Thaiger10 ( $ 110.20 USD )
Seat 2: iste10 ( $ 98.25 USD )
Seat 1: Hagbard11711 ( $ 26.65 USD )
Seat 3: forzahovet ( $ 61 USD )
Seat 5: dana13333 ( $ 28.75 USD )
iste10 posts small blind [$ 0.50 USD].
forzahovet posts big blind [$ 1 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to iste10 [ 5c 5h ]
Badevirus folds
dana13333 calls [$ 1 USD]
irlche folds
lahlpoker folds
TrainSurfer folds
AGlenday folds
Thaiger10 folds
iste10 calls [$ 0.50 USD]
forzahovet checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 9c, Ac ]
iste10 checks
forzahovet checks
dana13333 checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5s ]
iste10 bets [$ 3 USD]
forzahovet calls [$ 3 USD]
dana13333 folds
** Dealing River ** [ Ts ]
iste10 bets [$ 8 USD]
forzahovet is all-In [$ 57 USD]


I have so far $13 in the pot $49 to call. It seems to me like he was slowplaying or maybe he hit the straight on river.

Call or Fold??
What's he slowplaying? It's possible that he's slowplaying the flush...but this is why I almost always will simply bet out on a 3-flush flop. A caller usually is drawing, and a raiser usually has it thinking you're at least calling his raise because you also have a flush.

If you bet out this flop, he either folds QJ right there and you pick it up, because he doesn't want to draw to a 4-outer against a flopped-flush, or he smooth calls/raises his flopped flush (or flush draw).

I bet out on the flop, so I've probably already decided whether or not he has the flush. If I think he does, I'm going to try and check it down or call small bets and see if my set is good or not. If I think he doesn't have the flush, I'm going to bet larger than the pot on the turn. If I bet the pot on the flop and he called, there's $9 in there, and I'm probably betting $12 when I turn my set.

On the river, your hand just gets worse. Now you're beat by a flush and a straight. I'm just checking, to avoid building the pot any more. If you're betting only when the 5 comes out, here's a range of hands he can put you on.

Kx, A5, 95, 55, air. If you don't think he thinks your bluffing, then realize that on the turn, he probably called you with another set or better, but also possibly he turned to pair.


It's hard to say, he may also have a real weak flush. He was the BB.


But, if I don't bet the flop, and I don't get him to fold the turn, I'm not betting the river. It makes him think we're weak and can't call much of a bet, so if he wants a call, he'll make a smaller bet to try getting us to call so he can win more money.