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Pogo27
Sixth level of a freezeout with blinds that double every 20 minutes. Started at 25/25, then 25/50, we're at 400/800 now.

I'm on the button in seat 6 with 6700 and it's folded to me. I make a min-raise to 1600 with A:spades:2:spades:. Felt I could pick up the pot right there, but also felt that if worse came to worse, I could get out and still not be too terribly damaged with 5100 remaining (and plenty of times before the blinds get back).

Small blind folds, big blind calls. 3400 in the pot. Flop comes K:hearts:3:spades:7:spades:. I've flopped the nut flush draw. It's heads up. The big blind leads out with a min bet, 800.

4200 in the pot. I've got 5100 in my stack. I decide I'm going to buy this pot, and worse comes to worse, if he calls, I've got lots of outs to give me enough chips to be really comfortable. I raise all in.

It's 4300 for BB to call 9300 against preflop raiser who just RAISED all in. Big blind calls. I turn my cards over and say "Well, I need spades."

Big blind turns over Q:spades:T:clubs:. Turn is the 2:hearts:, river is T:diamonds:.

And boom, just like that, a guy who calls my all in with a 5 outer busts me out.

And the worst part is...5 outs is the absolute BEST this guy could've figured he had. What am I raising preflop with that he likes my all in raise with no sort of draw here? Even if I just have Ace-high and no flush draw, he's still only got 6 outs. If I've got Ace-Queen ,Ace-Ten or Queen-Jack, he's drawing to 3 outs. If I've got a King, he's drawing to runner-runner, and I hold the King of spades and another spades, he's drawing extremely slim.

Now, granted, I maybe could've played the hand better, but what more can you ask than to get someone with a 5-outer to match your all-in raise? I must just be in a rut and can't get the deck to cooperate. Past few weeks it's been dealing my opponents there 1-in-4, 1-in-5, etc. draws, again and again.

Unfortunately, I never have quad Tens or better when I get sucked out on. If that were the case, I wouldn't have to complain...

Bobby C
Another "What Was My Opponent Thinking?" rant from Pogo.

Allow me to provide the same answer that I always do: "He wasn't thinking. Why do you continue to torture yourself, asking questions that have no answers? He wasn't thinking. Stop trying to look for logic where it doesn't exist."

BTW, why didn't you just push preflop?

DahdeKing
If I'm playing that hand I'm pushing preflop.

Donkeys will suck out on you consistently, you better get used to it.

I just had a funny hand happen to me along similar lines.

Turbo SnG, half way through, I'm dragging at the bottom of the pack, blinds 75/150 - I got 1300. It folds around to the button, who calls. I'm in the SB with AQo and I go all in. The BB folds. The button thinks about it for a couple of seconds and calls for his entire stack, then proceeds to flip over Q2o. :D :D :D

Catches a duece on the flop and busts me, and says - "I thought you were bluffing".

I was cracking up so hard.

Pogo27
BTW, why didn't you just push preflop?
Like I said, if I had the hand back, I think this is probably what I do preflop...but also, I also felt somewhat comfortable folding if he reraised preflop or if I didn't hit the flop.

But the point is...he calls a larger than pot-size all-in on a flop like that with his cards? It's not a matter of him putting me on a hand so much as it's how can he possibly think he's good? I don't care whether or not he was putting me on a hand, when does QTo want to play a Kh7s3s board? His Queen was a spade, so he had runner-runner flush and runner-runner straight possibilities, but I refuse to believe that he's playing THAT badly and at the same time having a stack large enough to call my all-in just because.

And ultimately, the question of this thread isn't "What could I have done?" so much as "When will I stop getting sucked out on when I get my chips in with the best hand and have not given my opponents the proper odds to call?"

Bobby C
And ultimately, the question of this thread isn't "What could I have done?" so much as "When will I stop getting sucked out on when I get my chips in with the best hand and have not given my opponents the proper odds to call?"

Oh, that's easy: It will NEVER stop. EVER. It's an essential part of the game, as essential as the cards and the chips.

Listening to poker players wish that this would go away, is like listening to Seattle residents bitching about the rain. It's Seattle, the rain is not going away. It's poker, the suckouts are not going away.

Remember, insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result. There are a lot of insane poker players out there, and they all want to tell me about the "unbelievable" suckout they most recently endured--and they tell me the story as if it wasn't something that happens every hour of every day.