All right, $1/$2 NLHE. Seat 1 is in the BB.

Seat 2 limps. Folds to me, and I make it $5. Folds to Seat 1, who calls, seat 2 calls. $16 in the pot, I hold Ac8c. Both players are very loose preflop. Most of the rest of the table is very tight, so I tried to find some sort of a balance.

Flop comes 2-6-8 rainbow. Check, check, and I bet $16. Both players call.
Turn is a 10. No possible flush, but I figured one of the loose players probably hit their open-ended draw right there. Check, $10 bet into the $48 pot. I fold, seat 2 calls. River is a 4. I figure I made a good fold, because now, pretty much every straight possible hooked up. Check-check. Maybe not.


Seat 1 shows 67o, for a pair of 6s. Seat 2 shows 47o, for a pair of 4s.

Seat 1 called a pot size bet needing a 2-outer six for the set, a 3-outer 7 for 2-pair, or runner-runner for the straight.
Seat 2 overcalled a pot size bet on a gutshot to the 5.

Ugh. I figured with the call, the overcall, and the turn being a T, surely one of them was in there with 79 (and the other with 57, if not both with 79). Had I just kept playing, I would've won at least a $68 pot, depends on whether or not my raise on the turn got called. Oh well.

I don't think I fold for $10 into $48. Depending on tendencies, I'm raising or calling.

I'll raise there if I think he is capable of a big bluff on the river. I'll smooth call if I expect him to make a small river bet, and I'll just call it no matter what (just about at least)..

Again your play here is quite foolish in my opinion. What are you doing raising to $5 preflop in a 1/2 game? Put a real bet out there. That small bet screams out to me that you've got a small suited ace or small-medium suited connectors. With your small bet preflop you allow the blinds to get in with crappy hands (even though from your other post you seem to value 67os for some reason, which wound up taking the pot down in this case - ironic, huh) and with a board like 268T any donk is gonna think his 6's are good against a preflop raiser unless you had a decent pp preflop, which you would have initially raised more with, or a hand like AT, KT, QT, or JT suited, which you also would have initially raised more with (or at least you should have if you were a decent player).

And how do you fold that on the turn getting nearly 5-1? Were you really scared of one of the blinds spiking a T here or were you really worried about someone catching a straight draw? Either way - you should have reraised here, not folded, to find out where you were in the hand. If someone spikes a T here they probably smooth call your raise and if someone hits their straight here they either smooth call to trap you and will probably bet out on the river if the board doesn't pair or they reraise you and you know you're 8 isn't good so you're able to get away from it. Folding is definitely the incorrect play here.

Raise more preflop, flop is played fine. I'd check, call the turn and check call up to a half pot bet on the river.

Is there any way to get 9to5 to either simply not respond, or respond without being a total dick?

I'm not a HORRIBLE player. Do I need improvement? Yes. Is that why I fkn make posts here looking for advise? ABSOLUTELY MOST DEFINITELY. No need to respond to my posts with a dick in your mouth.



That said... I fold on the turn because despite those players being loose, I feel I have a decent read on them and figured both of them for some small connectors. My read was absolutely right, and if they've got their small suited connectors and the check-call the flop then lead out on the turn, then it most definitely looks like they fkn hit their straight, doesn't it?

Pot odds don't matter if you're drawing dead. If I thought they spiked a T for top pair or two pair, then I'm definitely raising, because yes, then I have the pot odds to catch a 5-outer, but if I feel confident that they made their straight (which I incorrectly thought they did...so sue me for figuring them on some sort of open-ended straight draw), then there's no way I can call because I might have 5-to-1 pot odds, but there's 0 in a billion chance of my single pair beating a straight with just 1 card to come.

Seat 1 called a pot size bet needing a 2-outer six for the set, a 3-outer 7 for 2-pair, or runner-runner for the straight.
Seat 2 overcalled a pot size bet on a gutshot to the 5.

You wrote something like this in another thread, as well. You were shocked that your opponents made a terrible play, a play that you would never make.

STOP HOLDING YOUR OPPONENTS TO YOUR LOFTY STANDARDS. Just because a play is terrible, that doesn't mean your opponents won't do it! Stop being surprised when they turn up their hands, and expose the terrible plays they made.

I'm not saying that you should never fold again. I'm saying that when you consider it likely that your beat, you need to ask yourself, "What the chances that my opponent is a clueless idiot?" If it's very likely (based on the plays you've seen him make), then don't give him so much credit.

If it's very likely (based on the plays you've seen him make), then don't give him so much credit.
These players weren't absolutely horrible. In this situation, with both of them in there, I figured at least one of them had it. I think if it was heads up with either one of them, I would've put in a raise on the turn and they probably would've folded.