I thought there was a hand analasis section here...But I guess not. Since I'm new...I will post it here. I'm thinking I made the right move here...But...Please offer your opinion.

Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 7: Bustedx123 ( $2780 )
Seat 6: Any2Cards ( $4490 )
Seat 2: Luckyjomm ( $4250 )
Seat 9: thx4agr8time ( $4600 )
Seat 4: nikoloko ( $3880 )
Trny: 31390658 Level: 4
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to RMB333 [ Ah 4h ]
Luckyjomm folds
nikoloko calls [200]
Any2Cards raises [400]
Bustedx123 folds
thx4agr8time calls [200]
nikoloko calls [200]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, 2h, 6h ]
thx4agr8time is all-In [4200]
nikoloko folds
Your time bank will be activated in 5 secs. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
Any2Cards will be using his time bank for this hand.
this is kiiiilin me
Any2Cards is all-In [4090]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ts ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4s ]
thx4agr8time shows [ 4d, 2d ]two pairs, Fours and Twos.
Any2Cards shows [ Ah, 4h ]a pair of Fours.
thx4agr8time wins 110 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, Fours and Twos.
thx4agr8time wins 9480 chips from the main pot with two pairs, Fours and Twos.
Any2Cards finished in 5 place.

I'm on the button...With the A4 suited. I raise..I might have raised more...But I was feeling lucky. When thx called I put him on suited connectors or a low to mid pokcet pair. When the flop came down...I thought he had hit trips...Or 2 pair...Or...Completely bluffing cause I was talking allllot of trash at the table. Either way...2 of these hands (not the bluff)...I was at the time losing 2...But I had the flush draw and an ace...And even if he did have trips or 2 pair...Which I didin't really believe anyways...I figured I had the odds and outs. I called...And you saw that happened.

Thoughts ? Did I play this propperly in your opinion or...?

Thanks in advance.

R

Raise more pre-flop, don't be superstitious about feeling lucky.

On the flop, there's 1600 in the pot and it's 4000 to you... So 4000/9600 = 42%.. You need better than 42% equity to profitably call in terms of Chip EV. I don't mind calling with less equity than that though, because if you have a monster stack w/ 4 people left you can bully the table on the bubble.

The key mistake was pre-flop. Raise 4x the BB, and he probably isn't in there w/ 24 in the first place.

I'm not going to play A4 unless I'm the first one to enter the pot.

Somebody beat us to the punch this time. Let's muck, and wait for a better spot.

I can't imagine calling off a huge stack with a flush draw. I just don't get it. I'll BET my whole stack when I've got nothing, but I wouldn't dream of CALLING my whole stack with nothing (barring short-stack desperation).

Raise more preflop and you shoul take it down there.

I would have more than likely folded unless i wanted to take a gamble to hit the flush. Also what may determine it is what would you make if you went out there in terms of money? Was this the bubble? (guessing its somewhere just in the money with those chip stack? and what was the likelihood of others playing big and knocking themselves out to move higher up the money (depending on the style of play at this time in the tourney)?

If the chance for you to get alot more money (not by playing tight and hoping others will play, but by knowing others would play by their styles up to now) by folding deep in a touney and seeing others get knocked out (maybe one more place could be a reasonable amount to warrant a fold.

I know alot say play cards at the time if you have it. But i sometimes think, dependent on the players it might be worthwhile to sometimes fold instead of gamble while in the money, if you are confident, based on what you have seen that others will make big plays. and move you up in the money to a point where a fold is vey worthwhile financially!

I'm not going to play A4 unless I'm the first one to enter the pot.

Somebody beat us to the punch this time. Let's muck, and wait for a better spot.

I can't imagine calling off a huge stack with a flush draw. I just don't get it. I'll BET my whole stack when I've got nothing, but I wouldn't dream of CALLING my whole stack with nothing (barring short-stack desperation).


As they say, you dont need a nig hand to push all in, but you need a very big hand to call all in!

I say this depends on what kind of opponents against. Micro - small stake players call all-ins so frequently I feel like I have to have a reasonably big hand to go all-in.

As they say, you dont need a nig hand to push all in, but you need a very big hand to call all in!

If you're playing that hand, definitely raise more preflop.

That said...neverminding the fact that tournament odds are inherently more complicated than straight ring-game pot odds (like, how folding effects your chance to win more money in the tourney vs. calling and winning/losing), you didn't have the odds to make the call.

No antes, and 3 people in preflop for 400 makes 1200 in the pot.

First to act moves all-in and has your 4090 remaining covered.

Even against some bluffs, not all of your flush outs are there. If he's making a semi-bluff with a gut shot straight flush draw, than you only have 6 flush outs (though, if he doesn't hit anything, your A-high is good). But without more information, I'm not going to make this call hoping there's some chance he's bluffing unless I've got pot odds to justify the call if I know he's holding a set.

And if he is holding a set, you're drawing dead to your flush or a runner-runner straight (5, 7, for the 8-high), but that's an insignificantly small chance (1.8%). And even your flush only has 8 outs, because the 8 of hearts either makes him a boat or quads.

So, getting down to it, it's 4090 for you to call a pot of 5290 (1200 preflop, plus his all in, which is effectively 4090). The only other person already folded, so there's no chance of an overcall to improve the pot odds (though, the kind of hands that justify overcalling really probably hurt your odds more than anything else).

Anyway, 4090-to-5290 are the pot odds, and the odds of you making the hand are 3-to-1. It's 4090 to call, so there needs to be 1270 to justify calling.

Now, suppose he could make the all-in bet with any set, any two pair, or a complete bluff. That's 88, 66, 22, 86s, or a bluff hand. The other two pair hands (82, 62) don't really make a whole lot of sense to call preflop with so we'll not figure those in. And suppose there's an equal chance of him to have each of those.

Against a set, you're a 3-to-1 dog. So three times (88, 66, 22), you're a 3-to-1 dog. Against two pair, you're a two-to-one dog. So, once (86s), you're a 2-to-1 dog. Against a semi-bluff (straight draw) you're about 2-to-1 favorite, and against a complete bluff, you're about a 9-to-1 favorite. Also, against a pair (what he had, or a pair of sixes, or a pair of 8s, or any pocket pair), you're just on the short side of a coin flip.

Compound all that, and you have the pot odds to call if you think he's making a COMPLETE bluff at least a third of the time, but you said you put him on low suited connectors, so he's at worst making a semi-bluff, right? And that pretty much throws out the 9-to-1 favorite situation that even brings the pot odds remotely close.

Regardless, when it's all said and done, you have to assume he's bluffing at least 1 in 3 times to warrant this call from a theoretical pot odds perspective, and even then...it's a tournament. It might make sense to call down a bluff with Ace-high in a ring game, but I don't agree with doing it in a tournament.